Posted by: Dale Eastman
« on: June 21, 2023, 07:38:57 AM »Quote from: 20 June 12:00
Dale Eastman capitalism is a spook. That's it, it's a made up black magic word of the ruling class hiding behind the BAR mafia. I don't care what you call me. I don't have to understand perfectly how bullshit got here, what it's exact contents are, or why, to know it's bullshit and not capitalism. I went through the ancap stage. I used to think anarchy, capitalism, and freedom were basically synonymous, but I hadn't yet discovered the legal duplicitous treachery that kept me blind for my whole life. Examples of the true ownership include a certificate of title, motor vehicle registration, and property tax. No one truly owns anything so how can you call it a free market? That's like saying slaves swapping chores on the plantation are capitalists. I can't give you a clear definition of capitalism in so many words. Best I can tell it is a bit of colonialism, piracy, slave trading, and how large fictional criminal entities do business.
Quote from: 21 June 09:01
BM: ➽ I can't give you a clear definition of capitalism in so many words.
BM: ➽ Dale Eastman we're obviously not comprehending each other.
Do you think those two issues might... Just might... be related?
I understand that you are against CAPITALISM. Since you can't give a clear definition of what CAPITALISM is, then you can't give me an understanding of what, specifically, you are against. You then attempt conflation to bring things not within the definition in as if those things are the definition.
You rejected the few dictionary definitions I presented as a starting point to discuss what CAPITALISM is. I can set those definition to the side for now.
What does the term PROFIT mean to you?
Quote from: 21 June 09:13
In capitalism, you either own/control serious capital, or you are human capital. So which is it with you? What kind of capital do you own? Please be laconic. I don't have time for another essay.
Quote from: 21 June 09:13
Dale Eastman we're slaves arguing over the bullshit concepts given to us by the overlords who will never let us own anything or trade freely.
Quote from: 21 June 09:15
Capitalism = Corporatism. Even an individual must use his corporate personhood to access commerce.
Quote from: 21 June 12:56
ST: ➽ Please be laconic. I don't have time for another essay.
TRANSLATION: He doesn't want to support his undefined beliefs. Just swallow his conflations un-critically,
ST: ➽ In capitalism, you either own/control serious capital, SNIP!
What, exactly, do you mean with that particular use of the word capital? NOTE: At the moment, I am only interested in your first use to the word.
ST: ➽ In capitalism, [...] or you are human capital.
At this moment, I am interested in What, exactly, do you mean with that particular phrase?
ST: ➽ What kind of capital do you own?
What kind of WHAT do I own and keep in my sock drawer?
BM: ➽ Dale Eastman we're slaves.
Some more than others. I accept that comment at face value as I have quoted it.
BM: ➽ Dale Eastman we're slaves arguing over the bullshit concepts
You and I ARE NOT arguing over the single concept of CAPITALISM. You have NOT defined what the concept of CAPITALISM actually is, so how the fuck am I going to argue with you in regard to this concept?
BM: ➽ Dale Eastman we're slaves arguing over the bullshit concepts given to us by the overlords.
The concepts given to us by the overlords is something entirely different from the concept of CAPITALISM. Have you bothered to look through my website?
BM: ➽ Capitalism = Corporatism.
What, exactly, do you mean by your use of the word CORPORATISM?
BM: ➽ Even an individual must use his corporate personhood to access commerce.
What, exactly, do you mean by your use of the word COMMERCE?
SECOND INQUIRY: What does the term PROFIT mean to you?
Quote from: 21 June 13:05
Dale Eastman commerce as defined and regulated by the corporate BAR cabal, covering all the land with legal commercial systems.... have you not looked into your Birth Certificate Corporate Person?
Profit is a legal term I'm sure.
There is no sense carrying this on, we're not speaking the same language or something. I told you capitalism as it is defined and how it functions in society is a spook. You want me to define imaginary for you? Corporatism I could define in great detail encompassing all most all facets of life from the individual's assigned NAME, to government corps to Raytheon to teachers unions to the courts. ALL COMMERCE and governed by commercial fictional institutions seeking ill gotten gains.
Quote from: 21 June 13:14
Dale Eastman my conclusion is, you don't even know what capital is if you think you can fit it in your socks. And by the way you're dodging my questions.
Quote from: 21 June 15:38
DE: ➽ What, exactly, do you mean by your use of the word COMMERCE?
BM: ➽ Dale Eastman commerce as defined and regulated by the corporate BAR cabal, covering all the land with legal commercial systems.... have you not looked into your Birth Certificate Corporate Person?
I DID NOT ask you about the "corporate BAR cabal's definition did I?
I asked you:
What, exactly, do you mean by your use of the word COMMERCE?
DE: ➽ What does the term PROFIT mean to you?
BM: ➽ Profit is a legal term I'm sure.
You DID NOT answer my question.
BM: ➽ There is no sense carrying this on, we're not speaking the same language or something.
YOU are the communication error. You use words, I ask you to provide what you mean by your use of those words. You are unable to do so.
BM: ➽ I told you capitalism as it is defined and how it functions in society is a spook.
Dale... Remember, his insanity is part of your reality.
Recap: You're against CAPITALISM but you are unable to define what it actually is so I can understand what you are against.
Lemme put the context up to shed light to better understand your stated conclusion.
ST: ➽ In capitalism, you either own/control serious capital, SNIP!
DE: ➽ What, exactly, do you mean with that particular use of the word capital?
ST: ➽ What kind of capital do you own?
DE: ➽ What kind of WHAT do I own[...]
Dale Eastman my conclusion is, you don't even know what capital is if you think you can fit it in your socks.
You have YET to present a definition of CAPITAL.
ST: ➽ And by the way you're dodging my questions.
I told you, I am a pedantic asshole. Here's the questions you asked and the date-time Fecalbook logged them.
17 June 22:07What's there even to debate?
18 June 14:29Also, using all these definitions, who owns the shit?
18 June 14:29What if only the lucky few do?
21 June 09:13So which is it with you?
21 June 09:13What kind of capital do you own?
Perhaps you will re-ask the question you have become anxious that I fail\ed to address in a more precise manner?
Quote from: 21 June 15:57
Dale Eastman It's really simple. I only care about a free market and property rights. Capitalism provides neither, prove me wrong.
Quote from: 21 June 16:05
in capitalism, those who have, are making profits, and the have-nots are contributing to the profits of those who have.
Quote from: 21 June 16:08
Capital is made up wealth in a debt based criminal empire, that's why the ism doesn't make any sense.
Quote from: 21 June 16:50
BM: ➽ Dale Eastman It's really simple. I only care about a free market and property rights. Capitalism provides neither, prove me wrong.
Let me make sure I'm understanding your challenge. I'm supposed to prove you wrong about a concept you refuse to define?
BM: ➽ Capital is made up wealth in a debt based criminal empire,
What, specifically, do YOU mean by WEALTH?
Quote from: 21 June 16:52
Dale Eastman wealth is just paper. No one owns anything! Title is held by the corporate state. Capital is bank printing fiat and charging interest.
Quote from: 21 June 16:52
I can't define a made up word but you can't reconcile reality with the definition if your made up bullshit ruling class word.
Quote from: 21 June 16:54
Dale Eastman can you reconcile the definition with the reality on the ground? I can't, that's why I attack it. I have alternatives and solutions but I can't redefine something that makes no sense from the start.