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Posted by: Dale Eastman
« on: November 07, 2024, 08:01:46 PM »

Quote from: 5 November @ 12:11
Weird. I am 35 years old and I have never been subjected to violence by the government. The only time I have ever faced violence was from private parties. There are absolutely cases where government employees and agencies screw up, and they should be treated with extreme harshness when they do. But in probably 99% of cases, if you're doing what you're supposed to be doing (not breaking the law), you'll never experience violence from the government.
Quote from: 5 November @ 12:17
Nope, not under a rock at all. I live in a house. I also travel some (though admittedly not a lot). I've traveled to Boston multiple times. I've been to various parts of PA multiple times. Michigan multiple times. Florida multiple times, Texas once. New York (including NYC). The list goes on. Not a single time have I been subjected to or observed violence from the government. I've even been pulled over four times for speeding. Twice, I got tickets. Twice, I got warnings. Not once was it a violent or stressful experience.
Quote from: 5 November @ 12:23
Then I deserve to be arrested and put in a cage. As Jim Carrey's character said in Liar, Liar, 'Stop breaking the law, asshole!!!'
Quote from: 5 November @ 12:31
I have never been stolen from by the government. Every day that I continue to be part of the system, I am consenting to the taxes and fees the system requires. If I didn't want to pay any more, I would renounce my citizenship and leave.
Quote from: 5 November @ 12:37
I make over $100k per year. I am 100% for the wealthy paying more in taxes. That's why I supported Bernie in the primaries in 2016 and 2020.
Quote from: 5 November @ 12:38
Weird. I don't lick any boots. There are also no laws that I, personally, am subjected to that I think are bad. There are some bad ones out there (particularly in anti-choice states and when it comes to civil asset forfeiture), but I haven't personally been subjected to those (and can't when it comes to abortion issues).
Quote from: 5 November @ 13:01
I voluntarily pay for a military to defend us. Am I happy with every single thing the money is used for? Absolutely not. I abhor what is going on in Gaza, for instance. But my taxes are not going to make the difference and leaving the system to live in a desert without running water will make me worse off. So I'll be making my life worse while not making any changes. Instead, I prefer to vote for, donate for, and evangelize for changes to the system to make it better.
Quote from: 5 November @ 13:28
You're complaining about unintended consequences. By that line of thinking, stopping Hitler resulted in Israel committing their genocide in Gaza. So are you saying we shouldn't have stopped Hitler?
Quote from: 5 November @ 13:32
Yes, and if everybody in the world was selfless, communism would be great. And if everybody agreed that murder should never happen, there would be no murder. And if everybody practiced the same religion (or was atheist), there would be no religious wars/attacks. You are advocating for something that has not been shown to ever succeed on a large scale. And yes, it needs to be large because there are 8 billion people in the world. And without much of what the modern world has, our population would shrink quite a bit.
Quote from: 5 November @ 16:30
When did I say that? I did no such thing. I said that if I change things on my end, it will literally have no impact on matters. The only thing I can do is enact change through the system. So that's what I do.
Quote from: 5 November @ 16:30
You don't have a right to live on that property without paying tax dollars. When you bought that property, you did so knowing that taxes were required. It's the same as buying into an HOA-governed area.
Quote from: 5 November @ 17:22
No, we should have supported the US government and its allies in the war like France and England. As far as I can tell, there was no evil on that side. Why won't you answer my Hitler question? Because answering it will reveal you as a hypocrite or will have you admit something awful.
Quote from: 5 November @ 17:33
You and I have a very different definition of morality then. By receiving the property, you agreed implicitly to the laws involving it. If you didn't like the laws, you shouldn't have received the property or you should have sold it. It's like driving on the road. When you go on the road, you are implicitly agreeing to all of the laws that govern doing so. If you don't like it, don't drive. To me, it is immoral to be a freeloader. But by not paying taxes you are required to pay, that's exactly what you would be.
Quote from: 5 November @ 19:52
And you're full of shit if you think that. You are a shell of your former self.
Quote from: 5 November @ 19:40
Nobody likes paying taxes. But I do because it's part of the social contract.
Quote from: 5 November @ 22:39
It's the Constitution and all of the laws and court filings that are subject to it.
Quote from: 5 November @ 22:52
You sign it every day you decide to live here, just like you consent to the rules of an HOA if you live in one.
Quote from: 6 November @ 10:58
Serving doesn't entitle you to respect when you act like an ignorant jackass. You served because you decided to. Good for you. I do generally respect those that serve, but they forfeit that respect when they act like you guys. As for protecting, I would venture to say that over 90% of soldiers/veterans would disagree with the two of you. No, I'm not making a statement of fact. I'm just guessing the number would be that high.
Quote from: 6 November @ 11:05
I don't know. Like I said, it's not a statement of fact. But I have talked with many, many veterans in my life (family, friends, friends of family, members of the community, etc...) and you two are the first ones (out of probably close to a hundred) who have ever said anything bad about serving. If my estimate is right (and maybe it isn't), then maybe it's you and not them that have the problem. It's kinda like if everyone around you says you're a bad person to work with, then you're probably a bad person to work with.
Quote from: 6 November @ 11:34
Nope. You forfeit any thanks when you act the way you do. Respect can be lost and you lost it. I have thanked many, many current and former soldiers before. I have respected them. But I won't respect somebody who turns away from their country without a good reason.
Posted by: Dale Eastman
« on: November 05, 2024, 06:45:19 AM »

Quote from: November 4, 2024 @ 12:44
Yes, you mean no rules with the hope that everybody will gather in a circle and sing Kumbaya, My Lord, and decide to be civil when that has literally never happened on any large scale in the history of the world. In small tribal settings, it might work. But not on a large scale.
Quote from: November 4, 2024 @ 12:53
Because there are 8 billion people on this planet. Furthermore, there are some things that only become viable when economies are filled with a large number of people. Try building a highway when you have a group of 500 people to make it work. There's a reason why so much tech innovation only came in the last 200 years.
Quote from: November 4, 2024 @ 14:13
With crime rates at or near all-time lows? Yes, things are civil right now. Could they be better? Yes. But they are better than they have literally ever been.
Quote from: November 4, 2024 @ 14:14
I didn't lie at all. Tell me the lie.
Quote from: November 4, 2024 @ 14:15
Careful. The anarchists will eat you alive. Any sort of organization is evil to them.
Quote from: November 4, 2024 @ 14:24
Really? Show me a society that developed that had a sizable population, that had developed infrastructure, that had low crime and low poverty, that required or used no government. Heck, even show me a system with low crime and low poverty.
Quote from: November 4, 2024 @ 14:27
before we start this, how long do you think humans existed on earth?
Asked that question, Squirmy replied: The modern human has been around for between 100,000 and 300,000 years, depending on your definition of modern.
Quote from: November 4, 2024 @ 14:44
Really? So when else in human history has there not been high murder rates and high poverty rates?
Quote from: November 4, 2024 @ 15:22
Of that 145 million you claimed were killed, how many were killed by the US government and for a bad/inappropriate reason?
Quote from: November 4, 2024 @ 16:18
So you think it's never right for a government to kill someone?
That reminds me that I wish to inquire exactly what Squirmy means when he uses the word "government". He most likely does not realize that government is a euphemism.

Merriam-Webster defines euphemism as:
The substitution of an agreeable or inoffensive expression for one that may offend or suggest something unpleasant.

If the unpleasant thing is the concept to be discussed, I attempt to get the person focused on the unpleasant traits, properties, attributes, and characteristics, & elements of the euphemism. In short, I attempt to get them to examine reality.
Quote from: November 4, 2024 @ 17:12
When did I say that all were justified? I asked if you thought it was ever justified or not for government to kill somebody. Of course the 145 million as a whole were not warranted. But most of that was not the fault of the US. And in many cases, it would have been the result of wars that weren't our fault.

Also, I love that I live rent-free in your head. I may be the last thing you think about when you're on your deathbed someday.
Posted by: Dale Eastman
« on: November 01, 2024, 07:35:55 AM »

Daniel Jones, When I present you with this link { https://www.synapticsparks.info/dialog/index.php?topic=1804.0 } to the copy-paste of quotes of your... Statisms, It is not for the purpose of giving you more fodder you can then use to attempt to distract from your deliberate failure (your deliberate refusal) to answer my challenges to your claims while appearing as if you are answering my challenges. As of today, Saturday, November 9th, I have put ONE challenge to ONE of your claims online. https://www.facebook.com/groups/284517977025750/posts/on-november-4-2024-1519-daniel-jones-wrote-dale-eastman-oh-im-not-a-coward-and-i/963244989153042/
Folks, Daniel Jones is a Statist. He has made multiple Statist claims based on his beliefs as a thoroughly indoctrinated, brainwashed, believer in his religious beliefs of government as a god. I might or might not interlace my comments with Jones' statisms.
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Quote from: October 31, 2024 @ 15:45
I don't have a right to rule you. And our government does not rule anybody. You're saying things that have no basis in reality. In some countries (like North Korea), you would be right. But not in the US. Also, in the US, none of the rule is forced. You are completely free to renounce your citizenship and leave. As for the social contract, it is the Constitution, the laws that are subject to it, and court rulings that provide clarity on these matters.
Quote from: October 31, 2024 @ 15:53
It is my right to do anything I am capable of doing that I want to do unless I sacrifice that right in exchange for something else (like safety and public services) by participating as a member of society.
Quote from: October 31, 2024 @ 15:53
What you're describing about being shot is an extremely rare event. And when something inappropriate does happen like that, the police are held accountable for their actions.
Quote from: October 31, 2024 @ 16:07
Government will take your home and lock you up as it should if you violate the laws. It's entitled to that. Maybe you have reading comprehension problems, but I said I do not have the right to tell you how to live. I don't rule you. As for leaving the land, I am all for making passports free. But if you want one, I will cover the cost so long as you renounce your citizenship and leave for at least the next three years. It must be scary living in your warped little mind.
Quote from: October 31, 2024 @ 16:53
I don't get to choose a ruler. The premise of your entire problem is simply wrong. I have not ever had a ruler over me. As for these 'natural rights', where are they written? What are they specifically and who determined what they are? To me, natural rights can only be the ability to do anything that I am capable of doing. That includes killing, stealing, etc... But because I'm a member of society, I willfully (every day I wake up here) choose to sacrifice those rights for safety and services.
Quote from: October 31, 2024 @ 17:24
So then you would agree that it's my right to do whatever I want, right? That includes to kill and steal and enslave, right?
Quote from: October 31, 2024 @ 17:29
Well where does it say that those things aren't my right? Who is determining these things? Are you saying that it's not a lion's right to kill the gazelle? So they either have to act outside of their rights or die off as a species?
Quote from: October 31, 2024 @ 17:41
And who determines that your definition of right applies? For instance, it's my right to enslave someone in a world without government because that might be something I want to do. It might be your right to resist, but only one of us will win. It's my right to violate your self-professed right because maybe I don't agree that your right offsets mine. Maybe I don't even believe you have the same natural rights as I do. Morality is also subjective. Maybe to me, it is immoral for you to deny me my right to enslave you. Natural rights are whatever a person wants to do that they can do. To think that everybody will just agree with your narrow definition of what is right is folly. As for the lion and the gazelle, I don't see any evidence why they wouldn't own themselves. I would argue that they do because they seem to be sentient and they seem to have individualized personalities.