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Discussions; Public Archive / Jones' statist comments.
« Last post by Dale Eastman on November 01, 2024, 07:35:55 AM »
Daniel Jones, When I present you with this link { https://www.synapticsparks.info/dialog/index.php?topic=1804.0 } to the copy-paste of quotes of your... Statisms, It is not for the purpose of giving you more fodder you can then use to attempt to distract from your deliberate failure (your deliberate refusal) to answer my challenges to your claims while appearing as if you are answering my challenges. As of today, Saturday, November 9th, I have put ONE challenge to ONE of your claims online. https://www.facebook.com/groups/284517977025750/posts/on-november-4-2024-1519-daniel-jones-wrote-dale-eastman-oh-im-not-a-coward-and-i/963244989153042/



Folks, Daniel Jones is a Statist. He has made multiple Statist claims based on his beliefs as a thoroughly indoctrinated, brainwashed, believer in his religious beliefs of government as a god. I might or might not interlace my comments with Jones' statisms.
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Quote from: October 31, 2024 @ 15:45
I don't have a right to rule you. And our government does not rule anybody. You're saying things that have no basis in reality. In some countries (like North Korea), you would be right. But not in the US. Also, in the US, none of the rule is forced. You are completely free to renounce your citizenship and leave. As for the social contract, it is the Constitution, the laws that are subject to it, and court rulings that provide clarity on these matters.
Quote from: October 31, 2024 @ 15:53
It is my right to do anything I am capable of doing that I want to do unless I sacrifice that right in exchange for something else (like safety and public services) by participating as a member of society.
Quote from: October 31, 2024 @ 15:53
What you're describing about being shot is an extremely rare event. And when something inappropriate does happen like that, the police are held accountable for their actions.
Quote from: October 31, 2024 @ 16:07
Government will take your home and lock you up as it should if you violate the laws. It's entitled to that. Maybe you have reading comprehension problems, but I said I do not have the right to tell you how to live. I don't rule you. As for leaving the land, I am all for making passports free. But if you want one, I will cover the cost so long as you renounce your citizenship and leave for at least the next three years. It must be scary living in your warped little mind.
Quote from: October 31, 2024 @ 16:53
I don't get to choose a ruler. The premise of your entire problem is simply wrong. I have not ever had a ruler over me. As for these 'natural rights', where are they written? What are they specifically and who determined what they are? To me, natural rights can only be the ability to do anything that I am capable of doing. That includes killing, stealing, etc... But because I'm a member of society, I willfully (every day I wake up here) choose to sacrifice those rights for safety and services.
Quote from: October 31, 2024 @ 17:24
So then you would agree that it's my right to do whatever I want, right? That includes to kill and steal and enslave, right?
Quote from: October 31, 2024 @ 17:29
Well where does it say that those things aren't my right? Who is determining these things? Are you saying that it's not a lion's right to kill the gazelle? So they either have to act outside of their rights or die off as a species?
Quote from: October 31, 2024 @ 17:41
And who determines that your definition of right applies? For instance, it's my right to enslave someone in a world without government because that might be something I want to do. It might be your right to resist, but only one of us will win. It's my right to violate your self-professed right because maybe I don't agree that your right offsets mine. Maybe I don't even believe you have the same natural rights as I do. Morality is also subjective. Maybe to me, it is immoral for you to deny me my right to enslave you. Natural rights are whatever a person wants to do that they can do. To think that everybody will just agree with your narrow definition of what is right is folly. As for the lion and the gazelle, I don't see any evidence why they wouldn't own themselves. I would argue that they do because they seem to be sentient and they seem to have individualized personalities.
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Discussions; Public Archive / Re: im-skeptical on Blogger.
« Last post by Dale Eastman on October 30, 2024, 06:22:28 AM »
"I find it interesting that stating my lack of interest in being called a terrorist somehow provided you with a reason to assume I am a terrorist."
- You said that article was calling you a terrorist. It is therefore reasonable to assume that you think it refers to you. Otherwise, you would have no reason to think that you were being called a terrorist. Anyone with half a brain would draw the same conclusion. By the way, it says that only some of them are. That's true.


"you don't want to deal with the actual meaning of the word "sovereign"."
- I know how to use a dictionary.


"Claim #𝟠 No human has an innate Right-to-Rule any other human."
- What is this? Your manifesto? In a democracy, governmental authorities exist by the consent of the people, regardless of how you want to spin it.


"Please admit or deny this claim."
- I'm not here to help you give voice to your twisted anti-government propaganda.




You are not the first keyboard warrior coward I have ever interacted with. So I am very specific in my choice of my words, "Admit or Deny."

I will now explain the very specific intent of those three words.

If I made the claim:2 plus 5 equals 7.
Then asked you to Please admit or deny this claim.
If you deny the claim you show yourself to be... Something.
If you refuse to admit the claim, you show your bias and your propaganda that you are trying to establish as your claim. You don't want to admit that 2 plus 5 equals 7.

To admit would be to agree that the claim is valid. You did not agree that the claim is valid. If the claim is not valid, then you would be expected to deny the validity of the claim with evidence and proof. You did not deny the validity of the claim.

The same logic applies to my claim #𝟠.

I asked you to admit or deny my claim #𝟠
No human has an innate Right-to-Rule any other human.
You did not deny this claim.
If you did I would ask you to prove that any human has an innate Right-to-Rule any other human.
You don't want to admit that No human has an innate Right-to-Rule any other human.
You don't want to admit that what applies to you and I applies to any other humans.
You refuse to admit the claim, you show your government loving bias and your propaganda that you are trying to establish as proof of government's alleged (and disprovable) Right-to-Rule.

You admitted claim #𝟟: You and I are equals in that neither of us have a Right-to-Rule the other.
Claim #𝟡: If you don't have a Right-to-Rule me, then you can not delegate a Right-to-Rule me to anybody else.
Please admit or deny my claim #𝟡.



You're not the first right-wing extremist who thinks he's smarter than the rest of the world that I've dealt with. In a democracy, we grant governmental authority by the consent of the people. Your convoluted logic doesn't change the reality. It's a selfish, juvenile, and anti-social attitude that says "You're not the boss of me, and I refuse to live by any rules imposed by your gubmint." If you don't want to live in a democracy, then get out.



I decline to chase your red herring off the question I asked you.

Was your reply an admission or a denial of the point: Claim #𝟡: If you don't have a Right-to-Rule me, then you can not delegate a Right-to-Rule me to anybody else.



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Discussions; Public Archive / Re: im-skeptical on Blogger.
« Last post by Dale Eastman on October 29, 2024, 01:51:20 AM »
That doesn't really answer the question. I assume you know what I mean by the term sovereign citizen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement
Is that what you are?
I don't claim any right to rule you. I do claim, as Thomas Jefferson did, that the rights and freedoms we have don't extend to trampling on the rights of others. And that the duly elected government has the authority to pass legislation, to provide for the general welfare, to protect our rights, and to enforce the law.




im-skeptical wrote: "That doesn't really answer the question."
Repeating what I already posted: SCOTUS says you and I both are Sovereigns.

𝟙 The kings of France and England were both the highest ranking humans of their own nations.
𝟚 The King of France was its Sovereign.
𝟛 The King of England was its Sovereign.
𝟜 Neither king had a Right-to-Rule the other.
𝟝 The kings were of equal rank.

𝟞 You and I both are sovereigns.
𝟟 You and I are equals in that neither of us have a Right-to-Rule the other.
Please admit or deny the truth of claims #𝟞 & #𝟟.



So you are being deliberately obtuse, or you didn't bother to look at the description of the modern sovereign citizen movement.



Were you looking in a mirror when you wrote "deliberately obtuse"?
I asked you to admit or deny that you and I are equals in that neither of us have a Right-to-Rule the other.
Once that point and its concept are agreed to, then I can present the next point of that concept.

I am NOT interested in listening to you or the Federal government call me a terrorist.



"I asked you to admit or deny that you and I are equals in that neither of us have a Right-to-Rule the other."
- You don't listen very well. I already talked about that. I agreed.




"I am NOT interested in listening to you or the Federal government call me a terrorist."
- So that's the answer to my question. I would suggest that you go back to your anpropaganda site and commiserate with your fellow sov-cits.




Yes. You did agree. I apologize for my Boomeritis causing me to overlook the fact that you did agree. I allowed myself to get distracted by the distraction you provided that followed your agreement.

I find it interesting that stating my lack of interest in being called a terrorist somehow provided you with a reason to assume I am a terrorist. This shows me that you don't want to deal with the actual meaning of the word "sovereign".

Now that I have no doubt that you agree that you and I are equals and neither of us have a Right-to-Rule the other, I can now move on and present the next point of the concept of equal lack of a Right-to-Rule any other human.
Claim #𝟠 No human has an innate Right-to-Rule any other human.
Please admit or deny this claim.



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Discussions; Public Archive / Re: Re: im-skeptical on Blogger.
« Last post by Dale Eastman on October 28, 2024, 06:00:23 PM »
I was simply asking the question - because you seem to have the same opinions that those guys have.



im-skeptical wrote: "I was simply asking the question - because you seem to have the same opinions that those guys have."
Okay... I apologize for misreading your intent.
Taking your question at face value...
You asked: "So are you one of those "sovereign citizens"?"
Quote
Sovereignty itself is, of course, not subject to law, for it is the author and source of law; but in our system, while sovereign powers are delegated to the agencies of government, sovereignty itself remains with the people, by whom and for whom all government exists and acts.
Supreme Court - Yick Wo v. Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356 (1886)
SCOTUS says you and I both are sovereigns.
As such, are you and I equals in that neither of us have a Right-to-Rule the other
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Discussions; Public Archive / im-skeptical on Blogger.
« Last post by Dale Eastman on October 28, 2024, 10:59:40 AM »
im-skeptical wrote: "So are you one of those "sovereign citizens"? Entrenched in a compound with your guns, ready to kill anyone who crosses your path? With no regard for civil society or its laws?"



https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/begging-the-question

Have you stopped fucking your mother?
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Canned Text Topics / Re: Ideologies
« Last post by Dale Eastman on October 10, 2024, 10:02:12 AM »
What do you intend to convey with your words?
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Discussions with the indoctrinated. / Re: Even the Liberty Minded are Dumb Shits
« Last post by Dale Eastman on October 01, 2024, 01:19:45 PM »
Quote from: 1 October 2024 @ 12:22
Sadly, will be politely declining any further conversation, and will just use the scroll bar as was suggested.

Have been trying my best, but it has just been an awful experience so far.
Not saying this to be mean to you in any way either, just sharing what's being felt on this side of things.

None of the conversations you've had here ever gets anywhere or feels like it was worth the time. The responses being given to others seem overly tinged with frustration, unfair argumentative nastiness, and the sheer combativeness never seems to materialize into anything meaningful.

Unfortunately, don't really want to engage in discussing things with you anymore; So I'd like to kindly ask you to not @ me in the future if its not too much of a bother.

And please, I do request you to have the last word about this if you wish, if any part here doesn't seem right or fair.
Quote from: 2 October 2024 @ 10:51
Sadly, will be politely declining any further conversation

Before continuing a conversation can be declined there must be actual conversation. Your interactions with me were NOT "conversation".  Conversation is usually about sharing and discussing information.You chose to ignore points I presented to the other poster when you attempted to Distract, Deflect, Divert, Disrupt, and/or Derail focus away from my presented topics with your bullshit about "taunting". You claimed that my questions were "manipulation through a taunt"<Shrug.>

You must of missed where I wrote and posted: "The purpose of a question is to request clarification."
In view of your comments about questions I posed to another poster, I chose to plop those questions on the table right in front of you. YOU chose to not see those three questions and attempted to hijack the thread with your next post.

<Sarcastic Rhetoric> Tell me all about what a good conversationalist you are.</Sarc-Rhet> By the way, that was a very specific "taunt" aimed at you.

This is now the THIRD time I'm putting these questions in front of you:
What is YOUR purpose in posting on Larken's channel?
What do you hope to accomplish with your words?
What is your intent?

In other words, I am attempting to discern YOUR motivation for even posting on Larken's channel
Quote from: 2 October 2024 @ 10:51

Have been trying my best, but it has just been an awful experience so far.
Not saying this to be mean to you in any way either, just sharing what's being felt on this side of things.

None of the conversations you've had here ever gets anywhere or feels like it was worth the time. The responses being given to others seem overly tinged with frustration, unfair argumentative nastiness, and the sheer combativeness never seems to materialize into anything meaningful.


𝟙. I'm about information, facts, and which are and are not true.
𝟚. I don't give a shit about your feelz if they are not grounded in information, facts, and truth.
𝟛. Your attempt to psycho-analyze me opens the door for me to also psycho-analyze you.

Unfortunately, don't really want to engage in discussing things with you anymore;

You are not the first coward I've ever had ghost me because I question their written and posted emotional spew.

https://rumble.com/v5h46h9-learn-how-to-sue-companies-that-illegally-withhold-from-your-pay.html
33 minutes

https://www.synapticsparks.info/dialog/index.php?topic=1712.msg17164#new
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Discussions with the indoctrinated. / Re: Even the Liberty Minded are Dumb Shits
« Last post by Dale Eastman on October 01, 2024, 06:16:11 AM »
Reply to green text:
Quote from: 1 October 2024 @ 08:55
Yes... You posted a quote: "The IRS aren't omniscient... they are morons" labelled QOTD. You claim you found the quote "funny." Maybe it was funny, Maybe it wasn't funny.
You also claim you found the quote "helpful."
What exactly did you find helpful, and who did it help?

I responded to your post because I have personal first hand knowledge that the IRS are not omniscient. (Omniscient meaning all knowing). They DO NOT know the laws they are charged with enforcing. Those at the top of the IRS know that the IRS agency lies.

I posed the same question to you that I ask any IRS Officer, Agent, or Employee. Or any Former IRS Officer, Agent, or Employee. (NOTE TO SELF: Share convo link.) That inquiry being:

Please state the law that makes an American liable for the tax allegedly imposed on their domestic compensation for labor.

I refused politely by pointing out the absurdity of asking an anarchist to quote laws.

I will not accuse you of lying with those words. Instead I will chalk it up to you misremembering what you actually wrote. Here is what you actually wrote:
Why are you asking an anarchist to quote laws?

With those nine words you asked for me to explain my question. Which I did. Which you IGNORED when you posted these words:
I'm  happy with my setup. Thank you for your concern though.

Your non sequitur dismissal of my questions made me wonder and ask you:
"What is Larken Rose's PURPOSE with this particular Discord Server?"

I have no desire to look up... blah blah blah
If every time someone said to post a reference to laws applicable to a given situation I jumped I would do nothing but be a law copying robot.
That errant assumption of yours is not,and was not, the purpose of the question. Its purpose was to get you to think, Maybe you don't know as much as you believe you know.

As even in the US. the specific laws you are searching for aren't just Internal Revenue Code (IRC)
Are you implying you know more about US Income Tax than I do?
Reply to brown text:
Quote from: 1 October 2024 @ 08:56
Here's the questions again in case you missed them:
What is YOUR purpose in posting on Larken's channel?
What do you hope to accomplish with your words?
What is your intent?

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Discussions with the indoctrinated. / Re: Even the Liberty Minded are Dumb Shits
« Last post by Dale Eastman on September 30, 2024, 10:53:21 AM »
Quote from: 30 September 2024 @ 10:08
I posted a quote from Larken's event yesterday that I found funny and helpful.
⁠anarcho-memers⁠

You responded asking me to quote some written language from some moron.
⁠anarcho-memers⁠

I refused politely by pointing out the absurdity of asking an anarchist to quote laws.

I have no desire to look up the statute of these magic spells and copy and paste them here from any government institution in my free time.

If every time someone said to post a reference to laws applicable to a given situation I jumped I would do nothing but be a law copying robot. As even in the US. the specific laws you are searching for aren't just Internal Revenue Code (IRC)

They are US Codes (USC)
State Tax Codes
Counties with taxes assessed on income
Municipalities with the same claim to own a portion of another's product.
Smaller units like Special Economic Zones or Tax Increment Financing districts... and more that I'm probably unaware of...

It's a very large convo to start via low throughput text comms.
Quote from: 30 September 2024 @ 12:48
Ooof, yeah TIF is so aids. Small town out here was doing that to give special tax breaks to a multimillion dollar 9 story tall building, when all the other buildings in the area were 4 stories max.

Its just a special tax break they hand out to their criminal buddies. Spoke out against it at a city council meeting and made the tv news and paper. The local news when playing video of my complaint at the meeting, muted what I was saying and spoke over me, telling the viewer something else entirely. The newspaper referred to what was said as "there was a complaint" or something like that, but otherwise said only positive things about the special financing plan.
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Discussions with the indoctrinated. / Re: Even the Liberty Minded are Dumb Shits
« Last post by Dale Eastman on September 29, 2024, 08:08:40 PM »
Reply to green text:
Quote from: quote=30 September 2024 @ 09:35
The purpose of a question is to request clarification. You were very specific in asking me to clarify my post. I responded to the question asked of me: Why are you asking an anarchist to quote laws?
I complied; I wrote:
Do you think the IRS will NOT interact with those it labels Tax-Law-Violators?
Will you ignore its summons to court?
Will you ignore the men with guns sent to drag your ass to court?
Are you aware that any Gov-Turd MUST allege a violation of a law?
Can a law that doesn't exist be violated?
IF you don't know the law you are charged with violating, How do you defend against the charge?

In order to understand your thinking and what you know, I asked FOUR questions... Which YOU ignored oh so respectfully. YOU answered a question I DID NOT ASK. Your smarmy reply presented a suggestion to me that you are not aligned with Larken's purpose on Discord hence my question:
What is Larken Rose's PURPOSE with this particular Discord Server?
Because of what that other poster posted polite didn't work.
What is YOUR purpose in posting on Larken's channel?
What do you hope to accomplish with your words?
What is your intent?
Reply to brown text:
Quote from: 30 September 2024 @ 09:38
Good example of the word "you" being used as a taunt.

Your MERE opinion is noted and acknowledged. Your MERE opinion absent supporting facts can now be ignored as the blathering spew that it is.
You claimed that "What is Larken Rose's PURPOSE with this particular Discord Server?" Is also a taunt. I reject your opinion.

In view of your 276 words of doublespeak legerdemain: Free to use:SCROLLBAR ⇉ ⇉ ⇉

You chose to NOT use the scrollbar because you wanted to reply and ignore the point while pretending to not ignore the point.

You lecture me about my choice of words with this written drivel:
The first part of socratic questioning/learning is for a topic & claim to be presented that people actually want to discuss. Can't skip the first step, and just ask implying questions with no direct and meaningful claim. People usually won't engage with the topic.

What is YOUR purpose in posting on Larken's channel?
What do you hope to accomplish with your words?
What is your intent?


ANSWER THE QUESTIONS or use the scrollbar.
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