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Discussions; Public Archive / Jones' statist comments.
« Last post by Dale Eastman on November 01, 2024, 07:35:55 AM »Daniel Jones, When I present you with this link { https://www.synapticsparks.info/dialog/index.php?topic=1804.0 } to the copy-paste of quotes of your... Statisms, It is not for the purpose of giving you more fodder you can then use to attempt to distract from your deliberate failure (your deliberate refusal) to answer my challenges to your claims while appearing as if you are answering my challenges. As of today, Saturday, November 9th, I have put ONE challenge to ONE of your claims online. https://www.facebook.com/groups/284517977025750/posts/on-november-4-2024-1519-daniel-jones-wrote-dale-eastman-oh-im-not-a-coward-and-i/963244989153042/
Folks, Daniel Jones is a Statist. He has made multiple Statist claims based on his beliefs as a thoroughly indoctrinated, brainwashed, believer in his religious beliefs of government as a god. I might or might not interlace my comments with Jones' statisms.
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Folks, Daniel Jones is a Statist. He has made multiple Statist claims based on his beliefs as a thoroughly indoctrinated, brainwashed, believer in his religious beliefs of government as a god. I might or might not interlace my comments with Jones' statisms.
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Quote from: October 31, 2024 @ 15:45
I don't have a right to rule you. And our government does not rule anybody. You're saying things that have no basis in reality. In some countries (like North Korea), you would be right. But not in the US. Also, in the US, none of the rule is forced. You are completely free to renounce your citizenship and leave. As for the social contract, it is the Constitution, the laws that are subject to it, and court rulings that provide clarity on these matters.
Quote from: October 31, 2024 @ 15:53
It is my right to do anything I am capable of doing that I want to do unless I sacrifice that right in exchange for something else (like safety and public services) by participating as a member of society.
Quote from: October 31, 2024 @ 15:53
What you're describing about being shot is an extremely rare event. And when something inappropriate does happen like that, the police are held accountable for their actions.
Quote from: October 31, 2024 @ 16:07
Government will take your home and lock you up as it should if you violate the laws. It's entitled to that. Maybe you have reading comprehension problems, but I said I do not have the right to tell you how to live. I don't rule you. As for leaving the land, I am all for making passports free. But if you want one, I will cover the cost so long as you renounce your citizenship and leave for at least the next three years. It must be scary living in your warped little mind.
Quote from: October 31, 2024 @ 16:53
I don't get to choose a ruler. The premise of your entire problem is simply wrong. I have not ever had a ruler over me. As for these 'natural rights', where are they written? What are they specifically and who determined what they are? To me, natural rights can only be the ability to do anything that I am capable of doing. That includes killing, stealing, etc... But because I'm a member of society, I willfully (every day I wake up here) choose to sacrifice those rights for safety and services.
Quote from: October 31, 2024 @ 17:24
So then you would agree that it's my right to do whatever I want, right? That includes to kill and steal and enslave, right?
Quote from: October 31, 2024 @ 17:29
Well where does it say that those things aren't my right? Who is determining these things? Are you saying that it's not a lion's right to kill the gazelle? So they either have to act outside of their rights or die off as a species?
Quote from: October 31, 2024 @ 17:41
And who determines that your definition of right applies? For instance, it's my right to enslave someone in a world without government because that might be something I want to do. It might be your right to resist, but only one of us will win. It's my right to violate your self-professed right because maybe I don't agree that your right offsets mine. Maybe I don't even believe you have the same natural rights as I do. Morality is also subjective. Maybe to me, it is immoral for you to deny me my right to enslave you. Natural rights are whatever a person wants to do that they can do. To think that everybody will just agree with your narrow definition of what is right is folly. As for the lion and the gazelle, I don't see any evidence why they wouldn't own themselves. I would argue that they do because they seem to be sentient and they seem to have individualized personalities.