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Discussions with the indoctrinated. / Re: Even the Liberty Minded are Dumb Shits
« Last post by Dale Eastman on September 29, 2024, 01:31:52 PM »
Quote from: 28 September 2024 @ 13:36
Good example of the word "you" being used as a taunt.

The form of presented questions matters if a meaningful discussion that seeks the truth is being requested.

Trying to force it by manipulation through a taunt just isn't going to work. People who are interested in fighting with someone else will be the only ones who tend to engage with someone who taunts like this.

    What is Larken Rose's PURPOSE with this particular Discord Server?

Is also a taunt.

A non-taunting version of these questions would be,

    "Larken Rose has unfortunately had to deal with unjust tax issues before. Is anyone interested in discussing any ways they've found to deal with the tax code & IRS, so that effective defenses can be created and understood? You know stuff that anyone can follow to succeed against the theft of taxation?

    Can even offer some insight and suggestions that might be interesting and overlooked because of so much studying that was done related to the laws they have on the books."

Does it make sense that the people who will engage with this request will likely have a productive discussion, whereas taunts are just inviting arguments?

Also, if someone is quite confident in the notion that people can successfully defend themselves by knowing the law, then a reasonable case should be assembled, and supporting evidence should be presented bountifully and concisely. This will serve discussion to be as meaningful as possible.

From those claims, questions and criticisms will naturally arise in the minds of those who are interested in having that discussion, and these thoughts will strive in pursuit of the truth. The more non-antagonistic things are the better for meaningful discussion to reach the truth.

The first part of socratic questioning/learning is for a topic & claim to be presented that people actually want to discuss. Can't skip the first step, and just ask implying questions with no direct and meaningful claim. People usually won't engage with the topic.
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Discussions with the indoctrinated. / Even the Liberty Minded are Dumb Shits
« Last post by Dale Eastman on September 29, 2024, 06:52:30 AM »
Quote from: 28 Sept @ 15:12
"The IRS aren't omniscient... they are morons" QOTD.
Quote from: 28 Sept @ 16:23
Please state the law that makes an American liable for the tax allegedly imposed on their domestic compensation for labor.
Quote from: 28 Sept @ 22:04
Why are you asking an anarchist to quote laws?
Quote from: 29 Sept @ 07:56
Do you think the IRS will NOT interact with those it labels Tax-Law-Violators?
Will you ignore its summons to court?
Will you ignore the men with guns sent to drag your ass to court?
(As a side note, are you aware of the raid on Larken's home?)
Are you aware that any Gov-Turd MUST allege a violation of a law?
Can a law that doesn't exist be violated?
IF you don't know the law you are charged with violating, How do you defend against the charge?
Quote from: 29 Sept @ 08:18
I'm  happy with my setup. Thank you for your concern though.
Quote from: 29 Sept @ 12:00
What is Larken Rose's PURPOSE with this particular Discord Server?
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My Commentary On The World / A US Constituitional dollar was equal to
« Last post by Dale Eastman on September 27, 2024, 10:19:43 AM »
A US Constituitional dollar was equal to this much silver:      
Grains__Ounces__Troy Ounces
371.25___0.84______0.77
In 1913 a ONE unit Federal Reserve Note was equal to a ONE DOLLAR Silver Certificate.
Grains__Ounces__Troy Ounces
18.563___0.042_____0.0385
In 1923 a ONE unit Federal Reserve Note was equal to 5% of it's 1913 value.      
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I posted this message under a mutual acquaintance's posting of a share from the group named & identified.

Quote from: 14 September @ 09:14
Admins of this group wish to educate those who do not understand liberty.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/theintroductionofliberty/

I agree 100%. So I am doing my part to help this group get wider exposure by presenting the link to this group.

Can you be at liberty when 30% of your money is stolen? How much more liberty to do things would you have with $100 than with $70?

That missing $30 is a resource that you no longer own. This is why I have asked the main admin of I2L this question:

Do you want to help folks legally stop paying the income tax that has not been imposed on payroll of Americans working in any of the 50 States united?"

On 27 August @ 18:33 main admin wrote: I don't HAVE to respond if I don't see a need. That is main admin admitting that main admin DOESN'T RESPOND. This is main admin admitting to ignoring questions.

By refusing to answer my very specifically worded question; Main admin has opened the door for his actions to be speculatively examined.

The question shortened is "Do you want to help folks?" The missing answer of "Yes" means main admin has answered "No"; The main admin does not want to help folks. By refusing to address the question, main admin has offered no reason for main admin's intent to not help folks.

Prior discussion can be found publicly archived here
https://www.synapticsparks.info/dialog/index.php?topic=1777.0
Quote from: Mike Cerrito on 15 September @ 22:05
Dale Eastman, We don't need you or your closet statism rhetoric masquerading as liberty. You're butt hurt because we suspended your membership because you were licking the boots of the tyrant Dave Champion who openly admitted he campaigned for Sheriff and ran his mouth about anarchists. Funny how you don't mention that part, you closet statist piece of shit. 😂 You think the answer to government robbing people is to get on our knees and enter the gov's systems, therefore validating it. You're also so ignorant that you think Dave's boot licing way is the only method. And since you continue to run your fk boi mouth slandering the group, we'll ban you from it completely. Go lay in a casket, traitor.
Quote from: 16 September @ 09:00
The first thing about your emotional tirade I'm going to address: You just accused me of slandering The Introduction of Liberty group.

I am all about provable, verifiable facts.

"Slander is Defamation by verbal statement, as opposed to defamation in writing.": https://legaldictionary.net/slander/

"Defamation is a false statement presented as a fact that causes injury or damage to the character of the person it is about.": https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/differences-between-defamation-slander-and-libel#what-is-defamation

Correcting your error: You just accused me of libeling The Introduction of Liberty group.

What exactly is the injury or damage you are claiming I have done to The Introduction of Liberty group?

The topic you and Smith are trying to deflect away from is "Do you want to help folks?"

https://www.synapticsparks.info/dialog/index.php?topic=1783.msg17181#msg17181
Quote from: Mike Cerrito on 16 September @ 12:46
Dale Eastman, I'm not interested in your closet statism, passive aggressivism or your gutless dancing around Dave Champion being a STATIST TYRANT, you fking piece of shit, and you can come run your fk boi mouth in person about my emotion. Fk around and find out 🙂
Quote from: 16 September @ 19:01
Correcting your error: You just accused me of libeling The Introduction of Liberty group.

I told you, "I am all about provable, verifiable facts."

What exactly is the injury or damage you are claiming I have done to The Introduction of Liberty group?

https://www.synapticsparks.info/dialog/index.php?topic=1783
Quote from: 16 September @ 19:39
Dale Eastman, False. You are about using passive aggression, not telling whole context and gaslighting your childish inability to admit to everyone that Dave Champion is a tyrant, and you're trying to slight the group because you are butthurt. I'm not interested in your disingenuous banter.
Quote from: 17 September @ 07:40
On 15 September @ 22:05 You posted these words: ➽ And since you continue to run your fk boi mouth slandering the group
I asked you a very specific question because of that claim of yours:
What exactly is the injury or damage you are claiming I have done to The Introduction of Liberty group?
You sort of replied: ➽ you're trying to slight the group
Here's that question again, modified to attempt to understand your latest emotional spew:
What exactly is the injury or damage you are claiming I have done to The Introduction of Liberty group by allegedly "trying to slight the group"?
Quote from: 17 September @ 16:53
Dale Eastman, When you can first acknowledge Dave Champion is a tyrant and it's not good to promote tyrants, then people might consider answering your subsequent questions. But at this point, you have repeatedly refused to acknowledge the whole reason this started is because of YOU and Charles Moody refusing to acknowledge Dave is a tyrant and YOU and Charles Moody repeatedly trying to gaslight Dave as being a hero, therefore, you've ruined any chance of me answering any of your questions. No one is obligated to entertain your childish games where you bark questions and refuse to acknowledge you're promoting a boot licking statist tyrant who literally tried to enslave civilians via a badge.
Quote from: 17 September @ 16:55
Dale Eastman, If your next comment doesn't begin with you clearly admitting Dave Champion is a tyrant and admitting the damage that occurs from promoting a tyrant then I will just block you for being no better than a statist.
Quote from: 18 September @ 17:29
https://www.synapticsparks.info/dialog/index.php?topic=1783.msg17191#msg17191

I fully expect you to do the written version of plugging your ears with your fingers and singing "LA-LA-LA!" as loud as you can.

That's what emotional tirades look like. That's what you have done more than once thereby indicating that you are NOT interested in discussing verifiable facts.

FACT: 𝟙. I copy-paste and publicly archive discussions such as this one.
FACT: 𝟚. Any numbered fact is true absent a logical denial from you explaining why that specific numbered fact is in error.
FACT: 𝟛. Failure to address any numbered fact is admission of that fact's veracity.
𝟜. On 17 September @ 16:55 You posted this DEMAND: ➽ If your next comment doesn't begin with you... And threat: ➽ I will just punish you for not obeying my command.
𝟝. That looks just like how government operates.
𝟞. That looks just like how Statists operate.
𝟟. On 17 September @ 16:53 You spewed an emotional tirade; ➽ you've ruined any chance of me answering any of your questions.
𝟠. My questions are Socratic Method Questions designed to get to the truth and facts.
𝟡. It has been my personal experience that those who don't like or refuse to answer my questions about what they've posted don't want their posted BS examined.
𝟙𝟘. Your refusal to answer my questions STRONGLY suggest to me that you are not about truth and facts.
𝟙𝟙. On 17 September @ 07:40 I posted these words: On 15 September @ 22:05 You posted these words: ➽ And since you continue to run your fk boi mouth slandering the group
I asked you a very specific question because of that claim of yours:
What exactly is the injury or damage you are claiming I have done to The Introduction of Liberty group?
You sort of replied: ➽ you're trying to slight the group
Here's that question again, modified to attempt to understand your latest emotional spew:
What exactly is the injury or damage you are claiming I have done to The Introduction of Liberty group by allegedly "trying to slight the group"?
𝟙𝟚. You were asked explain and support your claim.
𝟙𝟛. You did not explain or support your claim.
𝟙𝟜. On 16 September @ 19:39 you wrote: ➽ You are about using passive aggression,
𝟙𝟝. I ignored your claim when you posted it.
𝟙𝟞. I am not ignoring your claim at this moment.
𝟙𝟟. I am now asking you to explain and support your claim.
𝟙𝟠. On 16 September @ 19:39 you claimed : ➽[I'm] not telling whole context
𝟙𝟡. I refer you back to fact 1 above: I copy-paste and publicly archive discussions such as this one.
𝟚𝟘. The context you are errantly claiming does not exist is in that public archive.
𝟚𝟙. On 16 September @ 19:01 I posted this: You just accused me of libeling The Introduction of Liberty group.
What exactly is the injury or damage you are claiming I have done to The Introduction of Liberty group?
𝟚𝟚. You did not explain or support your claim after I questioned your claim.
𝟚𝟛. On 16 September @ 12:46 you posted YOUR second emotional tirade.
𝟚𝟜. These ARE your words of your second emotional tirade saved in the public archive of this discussion: ➽ Dale Eastman, I'm not interested in your closet statism, passive aggressivism or your gutless dancing around Dave Champion being a STATIST TYRANT, you fking piece of shit, and you can come run your fk boi mouth in person about my emotion. Fk around and find out 🙂
𝟚𝟝. Calling me a fking piece of shit says more about you than it will ever say about me.
𝟚𝟞. In my 16 September @ 09:00 post, I corrected your error of not knowing the difference between Slander and Libel.
𝟚𝟟. In that same 16 September @ 09:00 post, I asked you to present the false statement that you implied I said about The Introduction of Liberty group.
𝟚𝟠. You failed to present my alleged false statement
𝟚𝟡. On 15 September @ 22:05 you spewed these words: ➽ Funny how you don't mention that part, you closet statist piece of shit.
𝟚𝟡. On 15 September @ 22:05 when you spewed those words, You ignored the words in the post you replied to.
𝟛𝟘. On 14 September @ 09:14 I posted these words:
Prior discussion can be found publicly archived here
https://www.synapticsparks.info/dialog/index.php?topic=1777.0
𝟛𝟙. A copy of the entire discussion WOULD have the context you are ignoring.

I told you, "I am all about provable, verifiable facts."
The proof and verification of those 31 facts is in the record of this conversation.

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Votards Discussion / Re: Votard RC
« Last post by Dale Eastman on September 14, 2024, 06:34:16 AM »
Quote from: 14 September @ 10:10
On 12 September @ 18:40 you claimed:
Dale Eastman I'll repeat..." you're not bright enough to realize the danger trump poses or you'd vote against him too."

On 13 September @ 06:53 I replied:
I accept your offer to educate me and articulate in detail this danger you claim I can't understand.

Since you claim to understand "the danger trump poses", You should have no problem describing exactly "the danger trump poses."
Quote from: 14 September @ 10:23
Dale Eastman I'm actually amazed a grown up? person thats in a political group doesnt know what Trumps done and been saying hes going to do if elected.
Maybe you should start paying attention to the news?
Quote from: 14 September @ 10:35
You should have no problem describing exactly "the danger trump poses."
Quote from: 14 September @ 10:47
Dale Eastman You should have no problem looking it up. I'm not here to educate ignorant facebook players, if you dont know whats going on maybe you should stop pretending you do.
Quote from: 14 September @ 13:49
"the danger trump poses."
That is YOUR CLAIM. The onus is on you to support your claim with facts.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

You should have no problem describing exactly "the danger trump poses."

Please prove that YOU know what's going on. Describe it exactly.
Quote from: 14 September @ 13:56
Dale Eastman Your ignorance, along with red hat ignorance, is why a grifting con man got into the White House in the first place.
Quote from: 14 September @ 14:06
"the danger trump poses."
That is YOUR CLAIM. The onus is on you to support your claim with facts.

You should have no problem describing exactly "the danger trump poses."
Quote from: 14 September @ 14:06
Dale Eastman uhhhh, I'm done here, you're not bright enough to even know whats going on in America. Like these other fools in this group you're a herd follower without a thought of your own..
Try googling it, try thinking on your own.
Quote from: 14 September @ 14:27
➽ "you're a herd follower without a thought of your own.."

Why are you calling me by your maiden name?

You are the one insisting I agree with your herd's thoughts... Thoughts YOU refuse to plainly state.
Quote from: 14 September @ 14:41
Dale Eastman I'm insisting you dont have a clue, obviously the product of herd mentality.
Quote from: 14 September @ 15:25
➽ "herd mentality"?

Why are you calling me by your maiden name?
Quote from: 14 September @ 15:38
Dale Eastman ......
Quote from: 14 September @ 19:51
Why are you calling me by your maiden name?
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Votards Discussion / Re: Votard RC
« Last post by Dale Eastman on September 12, 2024, 04:31:45 PM »
Quote from: 12 September @ 12:52
Quote from: 12 September @ 13:06
Dale Eastman you're not bright enough to realize the danger trump poses or you'd vote against him too.
Quote from: 12 September @ 17:30
You're too illiterate to articulate this danger you claim. And you're too stupid to understand that I refuse to vote and why.
Quote from: 12 September @ 18:40
Dale Eastman I'll repeat..." you're not bright enough to realize the danger trump poses or you'd vote against him too."
Quote from: 13 September @ 06:53
I accept your offer to educate me and articulate in detail this danger you claim I can't understand.
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Collection of CENSORED Covid information / Covid related?
« Last post by Dale Eastman on September 11, 2024, 11:12:24 AM »
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Votards Discussion / Votard RC
« Last post by Dale Eastman on September 02, 2024, 07:32:12 AM »
Quote from: YDOM/Dale Eastman on 1 September @ 15:51
Votards bickering over which pile of shit the[y] want as their ruler.


Quote from: RC on 1 September @ 15:54
Dale Eastman idiots that don't know what's ar stake.
Quote from: YDOM/Dale Eastman on 1 September @ 15:59
Why don't you enlighten us non-voters?
Quote from: RC on 1 September @ 16:07
Dale Eastman good, ignorant fools shouldn't vote.
The following quote is a copy-paste of what has been previously asked of RC in September of 2022.
Quote from: YDOM/Dale Eastman on 1 September @ 17:33
You're the Votard trying to claim a non-voter is supporting the side opposite of the one you support.
Now I ask again, What, specifically, do you mean by the "evil" you voted out?
What did you vote out. Please be articulate in describing this evil.
What, specifically, are the traits, properties, attributes, & characteristics of this "evil" you claim to have voted out?
Why, specifically, do you think the other guy is evil incarnate and your guy is not?
I ask you: Be concise; be articulate; State the "evil" you are so concerned about.
Stop being a fucking coward who refuses to plainly state what you mean.

https://www.synapticsparks.info/dialog/index.php?topic=1475.0
Quote from: RC on 1 September @ 20:34
Dale Eastman think about it, if you don't think the last administration was an evil entity devouring the US you're a red hat.
Quote from: YDOM/Dale Eastman on 2 September @ 08:54
I have been asking you to describe this EVIL you keep referring to. I have been asking you to describe the traits, properties, attributes, & characteristics of this EVIL you keep referring to.

What you keep communicating to me is that you are against this EVIL that you can't or won't define. You are FAILING to explain the facts about why others should share your opinion.

Why was the last administration an evil entity devouring the US?
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