EW & RC

[Dale Eastman]

In reply to another partisan BS comment, I posted:

If we are all born with equal rights, this means we are all born with an equal lack of authority over any other human.
You people are arguing over which person you wish to pretend has authority over any other human.
Government is a criminal syndicate the extorts people for money and control.
Y'all just continue to ignore me pointing out that your nose is right in front of your face.

I mostly agree with you, with the exception that people CAN consent to be governed. It's when that consent is removed that things get problematic and in need of resolution.

I appreciate your awareness of the exception. With proviso: People can ONLY consent for themselves to be governed. As you stated, "It's when that consent is removed that things get problematic and in need of resolution."

Because of this specific awareness, I can not honestly pigeon hole you with a label.

When that consent is removed is the specific issue to which I object to the common red shit ruler / blue shit ruler arguments in this group of (mostly) statists.

RC, your reply will follow

I’m as libertarian as you can get but I have to shake my head at people on my own side who can’t live in reality and just work to make things better. Defeat the left’s philosophy (which is as anti liberty as you can get) and educate the people on the right to live up to liberty, small government values. When you take a scorched earth approach flaming out everyone who isn’t to your exact standards you will never build the consensus needed and will be completely ineffectual and useless.

➽ I’m as libertarian as you can get but I have to shake my head at people on my own side who can’t live in reality and just work to make things better.

I am forced to assume, absent asking clarifying questions, that you view me as one on your own side. I don't think we are. I think we see the same "problems". I do not think we see the same causes of the problems.

I'm also assuming that you calling yourself a libertarian, means you believe or think that the only way to fix the problems is by working within the system.

(Side note of possibly no consequence, I specifically stated: "believe or think" because they are NOT synonymous signals.)

➽ Defeat the left’s philosophy (which is as anti liberty as you can get) [...]

That specifically falls within my category of red pile of shit rulers & ideas Vs. blue pile of shit rulers & ideas.

➽ [...] and educate the people on the right to live up to liberty, small government values.

If you have government, you do NOT have liberty.

➽ When you take a scorched earth approach flaming out everyone who isn’t to your exact standards [...]

Lemme help you understand my exact standards: You support extortion or you don't.

➽ [...] you will never build the consensus needed [...]

What consensus would that be? That extortion is do what we tell you to do or we will hurt you?

➽ [...] you will never build the consensus needed [...]

Needed to do what, exactly?

[Dale Eastman]

Ahhh. I get it. You’ll just screech like a bum in the park yelling to the world. You’re right. We aren’t on the same side. Never will be. Carry on.

What, specifically, do you mean by liberty?

[Dale Eastman]

Why play those games Dale? We understand each other completely. I have absolutely nothing to learn from you. On a freedom/liberty scale, let’s say we are operating currently at a 65 or 70. “Republicans” want a 60. “Democrats” want an 80. Some of the most left wing want a 90.
I want a 5. If it doesn’t have to do with protecting natural rights, property rights and REAL safety….I don’t want the government involved in any way. You want a 0. And you’ll scream like a scalded baby til you get it. There would be no change in the volume or intensity if you got a 4. You don’t do any damage like a hard core collectivist but you are physically unable to do any good. You are of no help to my side (you are mouthing the philosophy I agree with but you are so ineffectual and impotent that it becomes a distraction). As I said, you are regulated to be that guy who screams at the world and never accomplishes anything. Why bother?

➽ Why play those games Dale?

⚠The term equivocation refers to the use of ambiguous language, meaning words or phrases that can be interpreted in more than one way, in an attempt to hide the truth or avoid commitment to a point of view. Equivocation fallacy occurs when someone uses such language in order to support or refute an argument.⚠

Equivocation could be deliberate, or equivocation could be an oversight. Either way, equivocation interferes with accurate communication. I've had many the discussion with idjits that "feelz" my clarifying questions are some sort of game. Funny, that's what I conclude when people refuse to answer those questions.

Please identify which of my words you parse as game playing. Then please explain the game you think I am playing.

➽ If it doesn’t have to do with protecting natural rights, property rights and REAL safety….I don’t want the government involved in any way.

Government is a criminal syndicate the extorts people for money and control.

Please explain to me how government extortion protects "natural rights, property rights and REAL safety".

➽ You don’t do any damage like a hard core collectivist but you are physically unable to do any good.

Please describe, with specificity, exactly what you mean by doing "good".

➽ You are of no help to my side [...]

Why would I want to be a help to the side that supports government extortion and government criminality?

➽ [...] you are mouthing the philosophy I agree with [...]

No I am not. You support government extortion and government criminality

➽ that guy who screams at the world and never accomplishes anything.

Tell that to Larken Rose.

[Dale Eastman]

Replying to another subthread comment:

See….that’s the bootlicking statist drivel I’ve come to expect from the left. Dale Eastman every lefty should be your sworn enemy as they are the enemy of freedom and liberty. Many times people on the right need to understand their inconsistencies but save the beat downs for the real poisonous zombies. Otherwise, you will be left severely outnumbered amongst a bunch of VH's.

➽ Dale Eastman every lefty should be your sworn enemy as they are the enemy of freedom and liberty.

Every enemy of freedom and liberty is my sworn enemy. I just don't know if that includes you.

Dale Eastman don’t care. You’d use a flamethrower on everyone who is 1° off of what you believe. But you’re all talk so what does it matter? I agree with your original statement. We aren’t on the same team and I don’t want to be on any team that would have you. You are running out like this is an individual sport and you can take on the world. Have at it! Good luck!

[Dale Eastman]

Started a new thread in a partisan bullshit arguing group:

In reply to a partisan BS comment, I posted:
⚠
If we are all born with equal rights, this means we are all born with an equal lack of authority over any other human.
You people are arguing over which person you wish to pretend has authority over any other human.
Government is a criminal syndicate that extorts people for money and control.
Y'all just continue to ignore me pointing out that your nose is right in front of your face.
⚠

➽ I’m as libertarian as you can get but I have to shake my head at people on my own side who can’t live in reality and just work to make things better. Defeat the left’s philosophy (which is as anti liberty as you can get) and educate the people on the right to live up to liberty, small government values. When you take a scorched earth approach flaming out everyone who isn’t to your exact standards you will never build the consensus needed and will be completely ineffectual and useless.

I have omitted my replies to RC to consolidate his words in an attempt to distill what his "focus" seems to be.

➽ Ahhh. I get it. You’ll just screech like a bum in the park yelling to the world. You’re right. We aren’t on the same side. Never will be. Carry on.

➽ Why play those games Dale? We understand each other completely. I have absolutely nothing to learn from you. On a freedom/liberty scale, let’s say we are operating currently at a 65 or 70. “Republicans” want a 60. “Democrats” want an 80. Some of the most left wing want a 90.
I want a 5. If it doesn’t have to do with protecting natural rights, property rights and REAL safety….I don’t want the government involved in any way. You want a 0. And you’ll scream like a scalded baby til you get it. There would be no change in the volume or intensity if you got a 4. You don’t do any damage like a hard core collectivist but you are physically unable to do any good. You are of no help to my side (you are mouthing the philosophy I agree with but you are so ineffectual and impotent that it becomes a distraction). As I said, you are regulated [relegated?] to be that guy who screams at the world and never accomplishes anything. Why bother?

➽ See….that’s the bootlicking statist drivel I’ve come to expect from the left. Dale Eastman every lefty should be your sworn enemy as they are the enemy of freedom and liberty. Many times people on the right need to understand their inconsistencies but save the beat downs for the real poisonous zombies. Otherwise, you will be left severely outnumbered amongst a bunch of VH's.

➽ Dale Eastman don’t care. You’d use a flamethrower on everyone who is 1° off of what you believe. But you’re all talk so what does it matter? I agree with your original statement. We aren’t on the same team and I don’t want to be on any team that would have you. You are running out like this is an individual sport and you can take on the world. Have at it! Good luck!

Did I hurt your feelz because I don't believe what you believe?

Lemme make sure I understand what you believe.

❶You believe I'm the one that can't live in reality?
❷You believe I'm not working to make things better?
❸You believe I'm not working to educate people about liberty?
❹You believe "small government" will make things better?
❺You believe that I will be completely ineffectual and useless.
You mislabeled a freedom/liberty scale. Per your use of numbers, you meant a government/ruler scale.
❻You don't want government/ruler scales of, per your post, 90 or 80 or 60. You want a government/ruler scale of 5.
❼You want this "limited" government/ruler to protect natural rights, property rights, and give you "REAL" safety.

You have failed to acknowledge I wrote this: Government is a criminal syndicate that extorts people for money and control.
It is my opinion, from attempts of discussions with many statists, of which you are just another, Statists think that by ignoring the statement they can avoid addressing the statement.

Bottom line: You want a criminal syndicate that extorts people to protect natural rights, property rights, and give you "REAL" safety.

Looks like I really triggered you. It’s kind of easy.

Bottom line: You want a criminal syndicate that extorts people to protect natural rights, property rights, and give you "REAL" safety.

That’s your strawman. Keep humping it. It’s funny to watch.

So is your cowardice.

It’s funny to see you cry when someone is dismissive to you. I get a whole screeching thread out of it. All that because I said modern US politics is in the 70-80 statist. I want about a 5 out of 100 in government intervention. That makes you go off on a “you’re a statist, you’re a statist”. I don’t have to blow your credibility. You do it for me.

Thank you for putting an exclamation point on my statement that you shouldn’t be taken seriously.

Bottom line: You want a criminal syndicate that extorts people to protect natural rights, property rights, and give you "REAL" safety.

Makes no difference to me that you continue to ignore the provable fact.

Dale forgot his medication….again.

Ignored the provable fact..., again.
Bottom line: You want a criminal syndicate that extorts people to protect natural rights, property rights, and give you "REAL" safety.

[Dale Eastman]

Rantings of an intellectual 2 yr old. “Waaaaah! Anyone who wants any government is a statist”. You sound like a leftard. 🤡

edit to remove error
I wish you would have not deleted your comment, specifically the one where you stated:
Dale forgot his medication….again.

When you deleted that comment you deleted my reply:
Ignored the provable fact..., again.
Bottom line: You want a criminal syndicate that extorts people to protect natural rights, property rights, and give you "REAL" safety.

Since you have now proven yourself dishonest, I'll be doing screen captures of your comments.

You have again ignored the provable fact:

You want a criminal syndicate that extorts people to protect natural rights, property rights, and give you "REAL" safety.

Waaaaaaa! Anyone who allows for any amount of government is a statist. 🤡

You want a criminal syndicate that extorts people to protect natural rights, property rights, and give you "REAL" safety.

Thanks for all your help in discrediting yourself. I probably could’ve done it without you but it was so much easier this way.

Says the guy who supports extortion.