Capitalism BM 2 start

[Dale Eastman]

Who are you talking to? Did an ancap setup those legalese deceptions like BAR association or whatever? Am I the person forcing those bs state laws and legislation on you?
You are talking about how British Monarchs forcing their bs on people, using state monopoly on violence, and then ask people on your FB friends list, who are against such statists like the british crown, do we want to support these things? No we don't.
Where did any ancap support British Crown or royal family? Or any other form of state monopoly on violence?
I'm as opposed to them as you are.
I'm not the guy you have a fight against. You are misdirecting anger caused by various statists that hurt you, to ancaps who are on your side.

He can't even define what capitalism is... Just that whatever it is. he is against it. So I can not learn what he is actually against.

Dale Eastman define frapatalism for me?

Did you even bother to read what you replied to?

Dale Eastman yes, I said the definitions don't jive with reality unless you read it in legalese. Explain where in this definition an anarchist belongs:

Private owners means NOT government owners.

Dale Eastman government being who?

There is no government! Only corporations. The BAR is a private owner, central banks are private owners.

Dale Eastman CAPITALISM

CAPITIS DIMINUTIO Definition & Legal Meaning
Definition & Citations:
In Roman law, A diminishing or abridgment of personality. Tills was a loss or curtailment of a man’s status or aggregate of legal attributes and qualifications, following upon certain changes in his civil condition. It was of three kinds, enumerated as follows: Capitis diminutio maxima. The highest or most comprehensive loss of status. This occurred when a man’s condition was changed from one of freedom to one of bondage, when he became a slave. It swept away with it all rights of citizenship and all family rights. Capitis diminutio media. A lesser or medium loss of status. This occurred where a man lost his rights of citizenship, but without losing his liberty. It carried away also the family rights. Capitis diminutio minima. Tile lowest or least comprehensive degree of loss of status. This occurred where a man’s family relations alone were changed. It happened upon the arrogation of a person who had been his own master, (sui juris,) or upon the emancipation of one who had been under the patria potestas. It left the rights of liberty and citizenship unaltered. See Inst. 1, 1G, pr.; 1, 2, 3; Dig. 4, 5, 11; Mackeld. Rom. Law.

The legal deception isn't my opinion, you should know better about this.

[Dale Eastman]

I can not tell if you are being dishonest with me or you are simply deluding yourself.

A quick net search resulted in my finding a source that is word for word exactly what you posted... Except for your duplicitous addition of the word "CAPITALISM" prior to your copy-paste.

For those readers curious about where I found this, here's the link: https://thelawdictionary.org/capitis-diminutio/

That text defines: Capitis diminutio maxima; Capitis diminutio media; and; Capitis diminutio minima.

It does NOT define CAPITALISM.

CAPITALISM can not exist without CAPITAL. Please present your definition of CAPITAL.

[Dale Eastman]

CAPITALISM can not exist without CAPITAL. Please present your definition of CAPITAL.

I was on a 24 hour ban. Capital = chattel and property. I'm surprised you didn't know the association of Roman Law and the modern legal hodge podge besides the obvious etymological relation.

BM: ➽ I was on a 24 hour ban.

I have several reasons why I call Zuckerturd's platform Fecalbook. This censorship crap is one of them. Sorry for not being patient.

BM: ➽ Capital = chattel and property.

How does one invest, per your definition, chattel and property, and for what purpose?

BM: ➽ I'm surprised you didn't know the association of Roman Law and the modern legal hodge podge besides the obvious etymological relation.

Stop attempting to blow smoke up my ass. Assuming as to what the fuck you are addressing, I REPEAT:
That text defines: Capitis diminutio maxima; Capitis diminutio media; and; Capitis diminutio minima.

It has NOTHING to do with CAPITALISM. And your bullshit about etymology.... Well it's bullshit.

capitalism (n.)

1854, "condition of having capital;" from capital (n.1) + -ism. The meaning "political/economic system which encourages capitalists" is recorded from 1872 and originally was used disparagingly by socialists. The meaning "concentration of capital in the hands of a few; the power or influence of large capital" is from 1877.

"Capital" may be most briefly described as wealth producing more wealth; and "capitalism" as the system directing that process. This latter term came into general use during the second half of the 19th century as a word chiefly signifying the world-wide modern system of organizing production and trade by private enterprise free to seek profit and fortune by employing for wages the mass of human labour. There is no satisfactory definition of the term, though nothing is more evident than the thing. [J.L. Garvin, "Capitalism" in Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1929]
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=CAPITALISM

Free Clue:https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/capital.asp

OCR:
THE ETYMOLOGY FALLACY

+ An etymological fallacy is committed when an argument makes a claim about the present meaning of a word based exclusively on that word's etymology and holds a word's historical meaning to be its sole valid meaning and that its present-day meaning is completely invalid. This can be true in some cases, but should never be held as an absolute.

+ The etymological fallacy can also be a fallacy itself when it is used to dismiss the word origins as irrelevant to the current use of the word and its true meaning. This is due to the fact that the study of etymology is all about gaining clarity of the words meaning which must be all encompassing of both its origins and current use. Only through discernment can one understand if the definition is accurate in reality and truth. Definition are all about gaining CLARITY on meaning and Truth. We can change definitions for the purpose of being more accurate to reality but also we can do the opposite and change them to be less accurate to reality which is very dangerous. It is important to understand that the control of language through methods like obfuscation has had a devastating effect on the human ability to think and communicate with clear understanding. The control of how we communicate is a powerful weapon to obscure Truth and create individuals that have no bearing on the ideas that they wish to express and the ideas which they are programed to believe. Weaponizing Miscommunication through the control of definitions leads to epistemological breakdown and only serves to further the Dark Occult agenda to divide us from Truth, Reality and each other.

+ This is also connected to the fallacy fallacy which states that since somebody uses a fallacy that their entire argument completely invalidated.

Dale Eastman regardless, does the current crapitalist system provide property ownership, voluntary trade, or property rights?

[Dale Eastman]

Your posting of THE ETYMOLOGY FALLACY is a laughable faux pas on your part. Repeating what I posted earlier: I can not tell if you are being dishonest with me or you are simply deluding yourself.

I did an OCR translation so I could copy-paste the words in that image.

I am attributing to you the words you pasted as if they are actually YOUR words.

✏ + An etymological fallacy is committed when an argument makes a claim about the present meaning of a word based exclusively on that word's etymology and holds a word's historical meaning to be its sole valid meaning and that its present-day meaning is completely invalid.

CAPITIS DIMINUTIO has absolutely NOTHING to do with CAPITALISM or CAPITAL. There is NO CONNECTION.

✏ the study of etymology is all about gaining clarity of the words meaning which must be all encompassing of both its origins and current use. Only through discernment can one understand if the definition is accurate in reality and truth. Definition are all about gaining CLARITY on meaning and Truth.

Words are how humans communicate ideas. To communicate ideas, words MUST have meanings and definitions. This is why I am a pedantic asshole. Known as Voltaire's Admonition, "If you wish to communicate, define your terms."

Some dumb-fuck illiterate: "Capitalism is bad."
Me: "Define capitalism."
Dumb-fuck illiterate: "Capitalism: Bad."

So far, You have provided me with NOTHING to help me understand your position. Your posts have indicated you wish to persuade others to come to your position, But you have failed to educate me as to exactly what your position is.

BM: ➽ Dale Eastman regardless, does the current crapitalist system RUDE INTERRUPTION: SNIP!

Good. You have admitted that the capitalist system and its other a.k.a., capitalism, is a SYSTEM.

𝟙 What, specifically, are the traits, properties, attributes, characteristics & elements of this system?

𝟚 How, exactly, does this system work?

𝟛 What are the goals of this system?

Dale Eastman if I concede the etymology will you answer the simple straightforward question: does capitalism include individual property rights? Yes or No

Dale Eastman I have repeatedly stated that I support a free market, property rights and voluntary exchange and that capitalism doesn't seem to include any of that. My position is freedom, yeah but I'm being dishonest here lolz grrrrr

BM: ➽ does capitalism include individual property rights? Yes or No

I do NOT know what YOU mean when YOU use the word CAPITALISM. Thus, I can NOT answer your question.

You have admitted that the capitalist system, capitalism, is a SYSTEM.

𝟙 What, specifically, are the traits, properties, attributes, characteristics & elements of this system?

𝟚 How, exactly, does this system work?

𝟛 What are the goals of this system?

Nevermind

[Dale Eastman]

Poking the Dumb-fuck illiterate in yet another thread...

Words are how humans communicate ideas. To communicate ideas, words MUST have meanings and definitions. This is why I am a pedantic asshole. Known as Voltaire's Admonition, "If you wish to communicate, define your terms."

Some dumb-fuck illiterate: "Capitalism is bad."
Me: "Define capitalism."
Dumb-fuck illiterate: "Capitalism: Bad."

Dale Eastman I'm not going in circles with you again. I'll define and defend free markets, voluntary exchange, property rights, and your consent, but I'm not going to define something fraudulent and nonsensical.
OCR:
Capitalism is a bullshit word.
Defend your overlords bullshit if
you like.

BM: ➽ Dale Eastman I'm not going in circles with you again. I'll define and defend free markets, voluntary exchange, property rights, and your consent, but I'm not going to define something fraudulent and nonsensical.

Are you now going to deny that you have, on multiple occasions, presented your position that "Capitalism is bad"?

Dale Eastman my main contention is it's a bullshit word, which would make it bad. The definitions don't match reality and the plurocrats I abhor swear by it.

Are you now going to deny that you have, on multiple occasions, presented your position that "Capitalism is bad"?

Dale Eastman no, bullshit including nonsensical words aren't good mkay?

BM: ➽ nonsensical words

You claim "CAPITALISM", a word you refuse to define, is a nonsensical word.

What, specifically, are the traits, properties, attributes, characteristics & elements of "CAPITALISM" that make it a nonsensical word?

[Dale Eastman]

Dale Eastman you never answered this


OCR

See any issue here? In this current
Corporate system, no private individual
actually owns anything, so who does?
What does "private owners" mean?

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capitalism
/kapadlizam/
noun
an economic and political system in which a country's
trade and industry are controlled by private owners for

profit.
"an era of free-market capitalism"

Similar: private enterprise free enterprise v

Dale Eastman do you own property?

I can't prove a negative. You and many others use that word and my whole point is I don't know what it means. I know what the word government means to different people. But capitalism seems to be even more perplexing in it's ability to catch a wide variety of people in it's mental box. Authoritarian collectivism such as Communism, fascism, and socialism are worse in many ways because they ignore economic consequences, but a rigged game of monopoly called capitalism isn't much better and much more reliant on deception and secrecy than force.
OCR
The conscious and intelligent manipulation of human behaviors, thoughts and opinions is the primary element in society. Those who hold the knowledge and manipulate these unseen mechanisms in society constitute the invisible government and are the true rulers of humanity. We are governed, our minds are formed, and our ideas are suggested by men we never heard of.

BM: ➽ Dale Eastman you never answered this

Actually, I did. Your memory is for shit or you didn't bother to review the discussion. [SHRUG]

Since you've brought it up again...

OCR: ➽ See any issue here?

Yes. Four issues actually.

𝟙 Your lack of ability to cogently explain your anti-capitalism position.

𝟚 Your conflation of two separate items...
OCR: ➽ In this current Corporate system
BM: ➽ regardless, does the current crapitalist system

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflation

𝟛 Your refusal / inability to explain what the fuck you mean even when I ask you questions about what you mean by and because of what you post.

𝟜 You keep appearing to post as if you and I are in some argument - disagreement regarding CAPITALISM. I am NOT arguing with you about CAPITALISM because I am STILL trying to get you to explain, exactly, what the details of this CAPITALISM you are against.

OCR: ➽ In this current Corporate system, no private individual actually owns anything,

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
I reject your bullshit claim... I reject your bullshit opinion... I reject your unsubstantiated belief.

OCR: ➽ What does "private owners" mean?

Not the State you fucking Marxist.

BM: ➽ Dale Eastman do you own property?

In spite of YOUR failure to define OWN, Yes I own property.

Now YOU present YOUR definition of OWN... to include all the traits, properties, attributes, characteristics & elements of what it means to OWN something.

BM: ➽ You and many others use that word [CAPITALISM] and my whole point is I don't know what it means.

You claim you don't know what CAPITALISM means yet you keep posting anti-CAPITALISM screed. Your anti-CAPITALISM screed is what caught my attention in the first place. As I wrote elsewhere, I have spent years attempting to understand what folks like you think and believe, as well as the why folks like you think and believe what you opine.

BM: ➽ I know what the word government means to different people.

If you say so... Given your track record of illiteracy... I don't believe you.

BM: ➽ But capitalism seems to be even more perplexing in it's ability to catch a wide variety of people in it's mental box.

Per your implication: "CAPITALISM" = "MENTAL BOX"

BM: ➽ I don't know what it ["CAPITALISM" = "MENTAL BOX"] means.

Yet you continue to spew your opinion about something you don't understand.

BM: ➽ a rigged game of monopoly called capitalism

Yet you continue to spew your opinion about something you don't understand.

Dale Eastman good luck!

Dale Eastman PS if you register it, you don't own it. You don't own jack shit. You're a confused slave.

BM: ➽ You don't own jack shit.

I own the same tools I've owned for the last 45 years, Plus the tools I purchased since then. Just for example. There is all the other property I own. So YOU don't know what the fuck you are opining about.

You are showing me just how illiterate you are.

Dale Eastman tools?! You think the ruling class gives a fuck about our tools? No, they own your cars and land and you, and give you permission to pick cotton for them.

Dale Eastman yeah, I'm so illiterate because I don't believe the overlords wyrds dupity Der 🤣

BM: ➽ Dale Eastman yeah, I'm so illiterate because

You refuse to see that you made a claim that I've proven is a LIE.

BM: ➽ You don't own jack shit.
DE: ➽ I own the same tools I've owned for the last 45 years

In other words, you're too fucking stupid to understand my words, and you're too fucking stupid to cogently articulate what you want myself and others to believe.

I doubt you can even understand what the words cogently and articulate mean.

Every interaction I have had with you on the topic of CAPITALISM has been me attempting to get you to cogently articulate what you want myself and others to believe.

Dale Eastman you define and defend it if you like, it's a made up word without meaning, but do your statist fantasy shit somewhere else, I'm not interested in delusion. You own your tools tho 🤣

BM: ➽ it's a made up word without meaning,

You're against that word yet you continue to FAIL to cogently and articulate What, specifically, are the traits, properties, attributes, characteristics & elements of this word thing you are against.

Dale Eastman I'm against using nonsensical words. That's it.

BM: ➽ I'm against using nonsensical words. That's it.

Yet you continue to fail to prove it's a nonsensical word.

What, specifically, are the traits, properties, attributes, characteristics & elements of "CAPITALISM" that make it a nonsensical word?

Please be cogent and articulate.

Dale Eastman if you pay income tax, you don't own anything as you yourself are owned. This isn't rocket science but we've been bamboozled since birth.

BM: ➽ Dale Eastman if you pay income tax, you don't own anything as you yourself are owned. This isn't rocket science but we've been bamboozled since birth.

BM: ➽ I'm against using nonsensical words.

Nice attempt at distraction. It didn't work. I am still aware that you have failed to state: What, specifically, are the traits, properties, attributes, characteristics & elements of "CAPITALISM" that make it a nonsensical word?