A day late and a federal reserve note short, here regardless after reading the dialog.
Fair warning: I ask questions specific to finding what others think and believe. Especially because of what I have already discerned in reading this dialog.
A positive thing about you that I have discerned is that you operate not in the written equivalent the sound bite mentality. You write multiple paragraphs. As one who also does such, I can appreciate your effort and time.
➽ 1) Rich and powerful people want ALL the power and do anything to obtain it. They would not only laugh at your vision, but they would spend the money to crush it.
I will tentatively agree that there are those who want power at any cost to others.
I challenge your claim that the rich and powerful "would not only laugh at your vision". Have you personally witnessed any R&P person laugh at visions of liberty? Are you one of these R&P? Does this mean you have laughed at those visions. Even if not an R&P person, I can easily imagine you laughing at the entire discussion of law.
I do agree that those who want power "would spend the money to crush it." Lobbyists immediately come to mind.
➽ 2) There are way too many people that look for a leader.
I will admit to that. I have personally observed such action by others.
Even so, I am calling you on your conflation.
Rulers Rule, Leaders Lead. Rulers will have you caged or killed if you refuse to obey their edicts. Leaders will not.
I do agree with your claim: "It's nature. It's like that since the dawn of time." The problem, IMO, is the corruption of "state" a.k.a. "government".
To choose a leader, one simply starts following those they choose to follow. No voting required. The provable opinion that "V***" is a dirtier word than "F***" is a topic I've already written many words about.
➽ 3). [...] There are also people who want to watch everything burn. [...] How would those people be dealt with?
That is a question I have been wrestling with myself. There are many people with ideas on how to deal with just such "behavior" in addition to my own.
➽ People are the point of failure.
So we need people to dictate to other people how to live their lives?
Now going to your first comments...
Blah blah blah ➽ Otherwise, we need laws.
I specifically challenge your use of a euphemism. What you call "laws" I hesitantly call "politician's rules." Said "Politician's Rules" being demands and commands under threat of death. Comply or die.
But the reality is that "Politician's Rules" are MERELY "Politician's OPINIONS".
How do these opinions become rules, and by what authority? The how first:
An elected alleged Representative will write, dicker, and then vote with other alleged Representatives regarding a new law and if 51% of the alleged Representatives voting agree that thou shalt have no lilacs growing on your property, then that is the law and thou shalt have no lilacs growing on your property.
If you refuse to comply, goons with guns, called police, will come to fine you, cage you, or kill you. Over lilacs growing in your yard. They have already done this regarding certain other plants, like hemp. You do know that rope used to be made out of hemp; that rope used to be made out of marijuana?
By what authority? I'm setting that on the shelf for the moment.
➽ Tell me something....how are the those blocks that the rioters taken over doing? Right now they pretty much have no laws going on.
There have been laws against murder since time immemorial. There have been murders since time immemorial. Apparently murderers ignore the law. And obviously laws against murder don't matter to those who don't murder.
Now as to the rioters damaging property, why the fuck did "government" not protect those properties and enforce the law against the rioters?
That's because police have no duty to protect. That's a one sided essay because it is irrefutable legal precedent. But you are being extorted (called taxed) to pay for cops that have no duty to protect you.
➽ How would those people be dealt with? By laws?
Like the laws against destroying people's property NOT being enforced by the Kenosha cops?
➽ The OP says that laws are part of a statist system. I am saying that laws are needed because the human race, as a whole, are a bunch of stupid savages who can't emotionally get past high school no matter how "educated" they are.
I'll only poke you a tiny bit about your emotionalism as I perceive it in your comments.
Some of those same "savages" are also are members of the criminal syndicate called government. Perhaps that's why a man was shot 7 times in the back.
➽ The OP is delusional if he or she thinks that laws can be done without.
You mean "politician's opinions". Really, you do when I drill down to the reality of these opinion's called laws.
➽ laws about driving
As to "driving", ask a 6 year old to indicate by raising that hand, what side of the road mommy or daddy should drive on? Cultural learning of convention.
And pulling the question back off the shelf:
Laws. By What Authority?
